Oct 24 2007

Google Drops PageRank For Many Sites : Paid Links or New Algorithm?


Dude, where’s my PageRank?

This morning, around 1 am, I was finishing up a document and clicked over to Search Engine Journal to see if any comments were made on some of my favorite posts. Looking at the Google Toolbar, I saw the PageRank bar read a PageRank 6. After refreshing a couple of times and rubbing the sand out of my eyes, low and behold, after 3 or 4 years at PageRank 7, we dropped.

I can’t say I was too surprised. Search Engine Journal was not the only site I noticed a drop in PageRank on last night, I noticed many other blogs and forums I read experiencing a drop. And recent Google activity has pointed to a new regrouping of PageRank, which may be addressing the size and growth of the Internet since Larry PageRank was first published, or may be addressing the growth of paid linking.

So, I made some changes to my template to eliminate the 3 links under Supporters, added a button from AdAge and thought about new changes I could make to the site, some which have nothing to do with links, Google or PageRank.

The drop in PageRank did not keep me up last night as I drifted off into dreamland with thoughts of the next few weeks in my mind.

This morning however, I noticed that search marketing blogs were not alone. Actually, we’re in rather good company. Here is a list of some of the major sites ‘hit’ by the PageRank update yesterday:

Like I said, rather good company. Newspaper and blog networks which use a lot of intralinking, seem to have been hit hard; b5media, Weblogs, Inc. and Gawker.

One could say that paid linking led to the decrease in PageRank for these sites, but not all of these sites use paid linking as a source of revenue.

Furthermore, there are many sites which were not associated with this drop in PageRank which sell paid links, but I’m not going to out them.

So, why the decrease? As I wait to hear back from Google on the decrease, there are many reasons which Google may be changing PageRank.

  • Paid Linking : The easy excuse is that they’re targeting paid links, but not all sites which experienced the drop sell or buy links.
  • Mass Linking : Do we link out to too many sites via Blog Rolls? Does Linkbait just result in TOO MANY links, even if they are natural. Do blog networks use influential linking to their advantage? I think PageRank has been spread too thin and Google is changing its PageRank formula to address the mass publishing which has taken place over the past 2 years.
  • Devalue PageRank : PageRank is seen by many as the end all value of a web site. Our PageRank dropped but we are receiving more Google search traffic than ever. PageRank does not define site rankings in Google or traffic and it should not be mistaken as so.
  • Kill the Paid Link Market : If Paid Linking houses use PageRank as a pricing metric, then eliminating or devaluing PageRank will devalue paid linking

We’ll have some more news on the changes in PageRank, or the Great Google Halloween Update, but until Matt Cutts addresses this on his blog or Google… please sound off in the comments below:

  • Why do you think Google has changed the PageRank on so many sites?
  • Was your site hit? If so, why do you think so?
  • What sites have you noticed that experienced a drop in PageRank?

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Loren Baker | Search Engine Journal | @lorenbaker

Loren Baker is the Editor in Chief of Search Engine Journal and a Managing Partner at Search & Social. Involved in SEO for more than a decade, Loren launched SEJ in 2003 with the goal to share search marketing information and reporting on happenings in search.

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  • markfloor
    I had page rank 2, then zero then 1 now zero again, yet i list number 1 and two of page 1 for most of my keywords in google and have done for the past 5 years, this generates business for me all the year round, my site has very good relevent content and uses simple navigation, so for me page rank doesn't make any difference.
    I think good content, simple navigation, regular updates and keyword tweaks using white hat tactics is the main factor in googles positioning of search results.
    I do, back link and use google maps and i keep the site up to speed,for this i feel google rewards me and rewards any genuine non fast buck making site.
  • My blog has PR 0 I have been working on writing quality content and link building for some time now but it doesn't seem to be making much of a difference.I can't seem to get traffic. What I would like to know is should links be one way links like from directories and article sites and such or should I link back to the sites. Which would give me more link juice.
  • Dear Percaine,
    It is ok to submit your site to reputable directories. However, some websites do illegal practices and have been punished by Google. If you submit you site to these kinds of directories, it could hurt your page rank.
  • macoway_advertising
    Cool Topic !
  • macoway_advertising
    Nice Topic !
  • It seems as if they changed the algorithym by using the site speed as well.
  • This is interesting. Your page rank did shoot up thought over the course of the years. Your site age does play a factor in that.
  • I have been punished by Google too as my PR went down from 3 to 0 few by the end of last year, and It is weird because my site doesn't lost it's unique visitor and have a very nice link too. I kinda believe it's got to do with the exchange link that I did, as I think I just found that out now, however I also would like to know whether sponsors ads, can also be considered as outbound link that effect your page rank dropped? I feel that my PR should at least get to 4 if not for the silly punishment (I'm calling it silly since Google doesn't really give a clue on how we can earn or loose it )
  • Is it true that Google no longer uses their page rank in search results. Google no longer shows the page rank in their webmaster tools.
  • Following a sudden drop in our rank from 3 to 1, our Google Page Rank is raised to 4 now. Do not use free directory submission services.
  • Just wondering why you say not to use free directory submission services? Your scaring me because I just started using one and have submitted to about a dozen or so.Should I stop and Why?
  • In my opinion search results have something to do with PR. My blog has lost a considerable amount of traffic because of the so called "Google Slap"
  • It seems as if it has started again i have been watching several sites in my network and the page rank of them have been dropping. Could it be because of a new page rank update?
  • Ok, I stumbled onto something today. I don't know if it'll help others or not. But I'm with wordpress and use the thesis theme.

    Now, today I looked over my privacy settings, and was horrified to discover that it was set to, 'I would like to block search engines, but allow normal visitors'

    I do know that recently thesis had an update that caused a different problem on my blog that is now sorted. My page rank is still zero, but at least now I have set it back to, 'I would like my blog to be visible to everyone'

    I don't know if this helps anyone, but if you use wordpress, please check your privacy settings!
  • I got PR 2 and it dropped to PR 0. I think google should remove the page rank system so that people will focus on only ranking not on page rank.
  • My site also dropped from pr4 to pr3. I don't know the reason
  • I realised I didn't share whether or not I use paid links. I don't, so that's odd!
  • I haven't noticed this recently but it seems that whenever it does take a big drop, it comes back after a few days or a week. I don't worry about it too much anymore..just continue to do my link building and content changing and working on my blog that leads to my main site.
  • Our site's page rank is also dropped from 5 to 3. I don't know why.
  • With the major changes in google serach algorithms and policies odds are another drop will come very soon. Pagerank is getting obsolete and new technologies are emerging. Personally i see a rising interest in google for the microformats, dublin core, and other similar technologies. Microformats seem to give more juice to linking.
  • I'm here because we have the same issues. We've lost a lot of business, thanks to the "new" Google. I've even stopped using them to search myself because I'm so angry about it. It doesn't seem to matter what we do we can't climb back up there. How can we get thru to them?
  • The PR for our website dropped substantially too, and I have no idea why either. We don't use paid links, or provide links for money - but even if that did affect rankings - does that mean that all I need to do is set up a couple of bogus sites with "Paid Link, buy link, link for money, etc etc" as keywords across all the pages and then link to competitors pages from that?

    If that's the case, then in theory, I should able to poison the rankings of huge amounts of websites through one simple exercise. I'm hoping someone has better insights into this than me!
  • Funny thing, but the same happened to my website in the middle of Jan. It dropped from 3 to 0. I just started link building and submitted my website to couple of paid directories. That could confirm the whole theory about link building and paying for them. From the other hand I tried to see how others are building their popularity and found a few sites with a lot of links to paid directories. One in particular was PR 0 in Dec. Now - PR 5. So who’s right?
  • Yes! In fact, that's why I'm here, I was googling this very question. My two month old blog which normally has a page rank of 3, just dropped to 0 today! I'm trying so hard to work out if I've done anything 'bad', so to speak, but reading this makes me realise there might be more to it than that. I hope!
  • Leif
    This was hard for me to digest. The PR of my blogs dropped down but i do agree on one point where i can see the improvement in the traffic. It was good to see PR 4 rather than PR2. :(
  • I am in the same boat as many of the bloggers who have commented. At least now I know I'm not alone. I have honestly quit worrying about page rank. I just like to make sure I'm still on the first page of google for the search terms I have targeted. So far I still am. So I'm content. I just keep focusing on content.
  • I think Google has just changed the maths a little so it's harder to get a PR5 and above. I don't think it affects the rankings much of the site that has dropped, maybe just the sites it links to.

    It would be interesting to see what would happen to the industry if Google got rid of PageRank all together, or made it secret.
  • Everybody has problem loosing PR. How to recover it? After one month of SEO got rank and loosing it without reason specification is so depressing. How to get back my page rank?
  • Sorry, I tried to leave a post the other day, but i don't think it got published. I too have noticed a drop in my ranking on Google. I've never had any real good rankings with them to begin with. However, I was on page one for a specific keyword, and now one week later, I am nowhere to be found. I looked as far as 20 pages, and still no sign. This seems very discouraging.
  • My pagerank dropped from 2 to 1 recently. This was after I had started setting up some backlinks. I haven't been able to confirm whether these are connected, but what it communicated to me is that I should go about getting backlinks and pagerank the hard way - by good and honest work. I won't spend more time with backlink packages I think.

    Anyway, thanks for confirming that this is a general development on the web and not just me! (my traffic has gone up too)

    Eivind,
    Masculinity Movies
  • Mike Smith
    I don’t really think Google knows what it’s doing some of the time; it’s created this mythical creature a creature called page rank. This creature has now mutated with an outbreak into the general public giving them false hope of unlimited security whey they stumble upon a site with good page rank!

    It s also seems to have many a people stumbling in the dark for a cure! A cure to a problem they can administer themselves.
    If you have good content, i.e. products if you are a shop, with good product description and not just what everyone else has duplicated on their site, have more relevant content if you are a directory based site you should be ok. Content, Content, Content that’s all I’ve ever used my site has gone from a 5 to a 4 then a 3 and now after their new tweak a 2 yet we have only ever climbed the natural listings, to being mostly the top of page 1 for with most of our relevant keywords.

    Lets not forget there are many companies out there making a living promising to get you to the top of goggles search engine and I have found only one who can deliver! And it’s a paid link! It’s called Google AdWords funny how Google frown on paid links! I bet they do it’s their money you are giving to someone else.

    What’s a good link and what’s a bad link? If a customer want to tell everyone how good you are because you have done a good job do you refuse their link? Do you also refuse to put a link back just because it’s not relevant?

    I know they are promoted as the biggest and the best but answer yourself one question do you now look at page rank as everything that’s important? .......No and neither will everyone else in time!
  • My site had pr 1 and I decided to increase it through some work so I started it before a month but I see that It's 0 now. I just don't understand what to do.
  • Saj
    Swaping links is a bad idea full stop, organic links is the best link exchange,

    Google knows people only swap links for one reason, and that's page rank,
    so if you find your site has dropped in google check your link exchange if you got one, Remove or disable it, send an email to google, and you should be back up again in no time.
  • It would make sense for google to adjust its Page Rank algorithms to reflect the increasing number in blog roll links.
  • Come on dude, these facts* and proof* i mean who is posting* lol :P
  • Hmm, it'd be nice to have some pagerank in the first place! It now seems to take longer than before, in this case 5 months and counting. So at least we don't have to worry about dropping pagerank!
  • saj
    Hi,

    RE: Page drop or Page Rank..?

    We were hit by the google drop, now i'm not sure what is meant by page rank, what i can't undestand is our site appeared on page one of google under some search terms, and the page rank for the site is 3, However after this google issue, the page rank is still 3 but the site now appears on page 5 when we search with the same search terms as before, is this a page rank drop if so what to ..?
  • Wow, I have a good company: you site! My blog was a PR 5 now it's 3.

    I don't know when it's back. The thing is the traffic does decrease after the google PR drop. It's good if PR value ain't affect your traffic
  • My Google Rank has suddenly dropped from 3 to 1 !
    I have recently submitted my URL to a company that submits URLs automatically to several search engines for a small fee. Since then my Google Rank has dropped significantly from 3 to 1.
    Have I done a mistake by submitting my URL to unknown search engines? If so, how can I undo these mistakes?
  • My site had a pagerank 4 then 3 and this latest google show dropped it to 0 !!!
    It stayed the same in search rankings, even got a place or two up for some keywords.
    I see no reason for this drop, nothing is changed on my side...
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