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	<title>Comments on: NewsDay.com Penalized for Selling Crap&#160;Links</title>
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		<title>By: CVOS man</title>
		<link>http://www.searchenginejournal.com/newsdaycom-penalized-for-selling-crap-links/7285/comment-page-1/#comment-1082465</link>
		<dc:creator>CVOS man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting case study.  I  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.netpaths.net/blog/newsday-penalized-for-selling-links/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted a screenshot&lt;/a&gt; showing the 100 nofollowed footer links and links to local sites that still receive link credit.

Can I be a niche local partner with Newsday and get the PR8 links too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting case study.  I  <a href="http://www.netpaths.net/blog/newsday-penalized-for-selling-links/" rel="nofollow">posted a screenshot</a> showing the 100 nofollowed footer links and links to local sites that still receive link credit.</p>
<p>Can I be a niche local partner with Newsday and get the PR8 links too?</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If link relevancy is the question, is the answer to sell relevant links and avoid being penalized? Or would you get banned anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If link relevancy is the question, is the answer to sell relevant links and avoid being penalized? Or would you get banned anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hearne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Hearne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PR NY - you&#039;re kidding right? I&#039;m no Google apologist, but saying that the links in question were likely verified as &quot;quality links to quality Websites&quot;? 

I think it&#039;s fair to say that as long as the target sites broke no laws, and their credit cards didn&#039;t bounce their links were published. 

I mean it&#039;s not like &#039;Mesothelioma Lawyer&#039; sticks out like a sore thumb...

Can I ask if you are related in some way to the site in question?

Looking at the current newsday.com homepage I&#039;m actually surprised that they lifted the TBPR penalty. While all the sites you link to may be within their own corporate netwrok, I&#039;d say some of the anchor text targeting is pushing boundaries. I&#039;ve certainly seen similar sites get TBPR Penalties for less.

Rgds
Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PR NY &#8211; you&#8217;re kidding right? I&#8217;m no Google apologist, but saying that the links in question were likely verified as &#8220;quality links to quality Websites&#8221;? </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fair to say that as long as the target sites broke no laws, and their credit cards didn&#8217;t bounce their links were published. </p>
<p>I mean it&#8217;s not like &#8216;Mesothelioma Lawyer&#8217; sticks out like a sore thumb&#8230;</p>
<p>Can I ask if you are related in some way to the site in question?</p>
<p>Looking at the current newsday.com homepage I&#8217;m actually surprised that they lifted the TBPR penalty. While all the sites you link to may be within their own corporate netwrok, I&#8217;d say some of the anchor text targeting is pushing boundaries. I&#8217;ve certainly seen similar sites get TBPR Penalties for less.</p>
<p>Rgds<br />
Richard</p>
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		<title>By: PR  NY</title>
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		<dc:creator>PR  NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google&#039;s policy of penalizing  top sites that sell links by dropping their page rank is not  an intelligent approach and more of a retaliation.

If they are really bothered that a site is doing this - they could simply take the external PR juice from that site  but not touch the actual PR of the site - which it has earned ( and of course send a warning to the site)

Perhaps their logic is buy decreasing the PR - buyers will be less likely to pay the high prices these PR8 links must cost.

But one has to ask - what if an Advertiser was on the front page with a link to its Website?
Isn&#039;t that fundamentally the same thing?

Also a site like NewsDay will probably examine the links to  verify that they are quality links  to  quality Websites - this in a sense Validates that link&#039;s relevancy and   the related Website in the same way that a Yahoo or Dmoz Editor validates their submissions.

In a real-world sense, one could argue that any company wishing to spend big bucks on a link   listing in a top newspaper is more tech savvy and more ambitious about getting customers than a company that buys an obscure classified ad or small listing.  This could potentially be good news to some prospects.


Finally, while there is a strong focus on Google, it must be remembered that Yahoo, MSN and Ask are also spidering those links and possibly increasing their rankings.  Although they do not bring in as much traffic as Google, collectively they have good potential and should not be ignored.  So even if Google penalized a site - buying links could still help on the others and could be a selling point to a site refusing to cave in to Google&#039;s retaliatory tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google&#8217;s policy of penalizing  top sites that sell links by dropping their page rank is not  an intelligent approach and more of a retaliation.</p>
<p>If they are really bothered that a site is doing this &#8211; they could simply take the external PR juice from that site  but not touch the actual PR of the site &#8211; which it has earned ( and of course send a warning to the site)</p>
<p>Perhaps their logic is buy decreasing the PR &#8211; buyers will be less likely to pay the high prices these PR8 links must cost.</p>
<p>But one has to ask &#8211; what if an Advertiser was on the front page with a link to its Website?<br />
Isn&#8217;t that fundamentally the same thing?</p>
<p>Also a site like NewsDay will probably examine the links to  verify that they are quality links  to  quality Websites &#8211; this in a sense Validates that link&#8217;s relevancy and   the related Website in the same way that a Yahoo or Dmoz Editor validates their submissions.</p>
<p>In a real-world sense, one could argue that any company wishing to spend big bucks on a link   listing in a top newspaper is more tech savvy and more ambitious about getting customers than a company that buys an obscure classified ad or small listing.  This could potentially be good news to some prospects.</p>
<p>Finally, while there is a strong focus on Google, it must be remembered that Yahoo, MSN and Ask are also spidering those links and possibly increasing their rankings.  Although they do not bring in as much traffic as Google, collectively they have good potential and should not be ignored.  So even if Google penalized a site &#8211; buying links could still help on the others and could be a selling point to a site refusing to cave in to Google&#8217;s retaliatory tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent D. Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent D. Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

Mostly political but watch Trends and everyone will know the outcome of this.  It&#039;s a good test.

I&#039;m just happy that everyone in NY is happy.  ;-)

Brent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Mostly political but watch Trends and everyone will know the outcome of this.  It&#8217;s a good test.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just happy that everyone in NY is happy.  ;-)</p>
<p>Brent</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hearne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Hearne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen similar, and my experience is that the TBPR penalty is purely optical. Traffic very often is not affected.

http://trends.google.com/websites?q=www.newsday.com&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0

I imagine newsday also only received an optical penalty.

@Brent - while stats are proprietary, any reason why you cant say if you feel the penalty affected your traffic? You can safely say if it did without giving competitors any info on your site&#039;s traffic.

Rgds
Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen similar, and my experience is that the TBPR penalty is purely optical. Traffic very often is not affected.</p>
<p><a href="http://trends.google.com/websites?q=www.newsday.com&#038;geo=all&#038;date=all&#038;sort=0" rel="nofollow">http://trends.google.com/websites?q=www.newsday.com&#038;geo=all&#038;date=all&#038;sort=0</a></p>
<p>I imagine newsday also only received an optical penalty.</p>
<p>@Brent &#8211; while stats are proprietary, any reason why you cant say if you feel the penalty affected your traffic? You can safely say if it did without giving competitors any info on your site&#8217;s traffic.</p>
<p>Rgds<br />
Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Brent D. Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent D. Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Bender,

The penalty was put in place in 2007 the offending code was removed in 2007 also.  I started in February 2008 and immediately filed a reinclusion request, called Google to explain the situation, but it still took until now to get the penalty removed . . . I think that is more than a slap on the wrist.

The people that are responsible for the offending code are no longer with Tribune and I have made it very clear that this can not and will not happen again.

Brent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Bender,</p>
<p>The penalty was put in place in 2007 the offending code was removed in 2007 also.  I started in February 2008 and immediately filed a reinclusion request, called Google to explain the situation, but it still took until now to get the penalty removed . . . I think that is more than a slap on the wrist.</p>
<p>The people that are responsible for the offending code are no longer with Tribune and I have made it very clear that this can not and will not happen again.</p>
<p>Brent</p>
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		<title>By: David Bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News Day should be slapped, that was under handed and its dirty pool, it hurts the real site owners out there trying hard to establish themselves. 

They should be upfront and professional about their links and how it will effect the owner linking to them.

But with a page rank of 8 its not really a big blow to be knocked down to pr 5 and get the rank right back as quickly as they did.

Obviously the big G didn&#039;t care that much, it
was more of a slap of the wrist like  a child
gets a polite slap on the wrist for trying to
take the candy from the shelve more than
once then they get it..

David
http://runyourcaronwaterguide.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News Day should be slapped, that was under handed and its dirty pool, it hurts the real site owners out there trying hard to establish themselves. </p>
<p>They should be upfront and professional about their links and how it will effect the owner linking to them.</p>
<p>But with a page rank of 8 its not really a big blow to be knocked down to pr 5 and get the rank right back as quickly as they did.</p>
<p>Obviously the big G didn&#8217;t care that much, it<br />
was more of a slap of the wrist like  a child<br />
gets a polite slap on the wrist for trying to<br />
take the candy from the shelve more than<br />
once then they get it..</p>
<p>David<br />
<a href="http://runyourcaronwaterguide.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://runyourcaronwaterguide.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brent D. Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent D. Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we are off topic at this point . . . but feel free to email me via my contact information located at http://www.brentdavidpayne.com and I&#039;ll provide a more detailed explanation.

Brent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are off topic at this point . . . but feel free to email me via my contact information located at <a href="http://www.brentdavidpayne.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.brentdavidpayne.com</a> and I&#8217;ll provide a more detailed explanation.</p>
<p>Brent</p>
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		<title>By: Jaan Kanellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaan Kanellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent I am not saying what your doing is wrong, rather questioning the way.  Asking for further explanation as to how this can help anyone else out there that is interested.  Is it worth the time to worry about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent I am not saying what your doing is wrong, rather questioning the way.  Asking for further explanation as to how this can help anyone else out there that is interested.  Is it worth the time to worry about?</p>
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