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	<title>Comments on: Google is Wikipedia&#8217;s Sugar&#160;Daddy</title>
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		<title>By: Adam Tal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Tal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia... Mastered the Google ranking System? Well I guess that only getting inbound links while all the outbounds are no follow tends to help.

Do they deserve to be there? I vote for no!
But hey Google&#039;s new Knol, will kick their ar*e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia&#8230; Mastered the Google ranking System? Well I guess that only getting inbound links while all the outbounds are no follow tends to help.</p>
<p>Do they deserve to be there? I vote for no!<br />
But hey Google&#8217;s new Knol, will kick their ar*e</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Whyte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Whyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would make an absolute ton of sense for Wikipedia to use some non-traditional type of advertising. 

If wikipedia syndicated their own content into topical blog type pages with integrated advertisements, they would make a killing.  Simply by taking their most active sections of the site and mashing them together, they could create a newspaper style blog that competes with the major news organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would make an absolute ton of sense for Wikipedia to use some non-traditional type of advertising. </p>
<p>If wikipedia syndicated their own content into topical blog type pages with integrated advertisements, they would make a killing.  Simply by taking their most active sections of the site and mashing them together, they could create a newspaper style blog that competes with the major news organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Halfdeck</title>
		<link>http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-is-wikipedias-sugar-daddy/4422/comment-page-1/#comment-397308</link>
		<dc:creator>Halfdeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s get real here. A ton of sites link to Wikipedia. The blame here lies in the fact that Wikipedia is a link magnent that attracts a carribean-cruiser-load of organic, non-paid, non-exchanged links on a daily basis. If you&#039;re trying to beat that by blowing thousands of bucks on high TBPR sidebar links that appear below texts like &quot;Our Sponsors&quot;, well, good luck.

BTW, tagging all outbounds with nofollow was a brilliant SEO move. That makes Wikipedia a Paris Hilton that gets paid millions every year but doesn&#039;t spend a penny. It virtually destroys the trickle-down theory of PageRank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s get real here. A ton of sites link to Wikipedia. The blame here lies in the fact that Wikipedia is a link magnent that attracts a carribean-cruiser-load of organic, non-paid, non-exchanged links on a daily basis. If you&#8217;re trying to beat that by blowing thousands of bucks on high TBPR sidebar links that appear below texts like &#8220;Our Sponsors&#8221;, well, good luck.</p>
<p>BTW, tagging all outbounds with nofollow was a brilliant SEO move. That makes Wikipedia a Paris Hilton that gets paid millions every year but doesn&#8217;t spend a penny. It virtually destroys the trickle-down theory of PageRank.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;when we should have legitimate rankings due to millions of dollars of business in that area.&quot;

That is an interesting concept.  Google decides who is most  &quot;legitimate&quot; or deserving and who is not. If I find your client&#039;s legitimate pages on top of Wikipedia or other less authoritative options I might not click the sponsored ads.
Google may also be proping up Wikipedia to capitalize on Wikipedia&#039;s growing use by teens and college students.  I&#039;ve posted before how my kids and their peers view Wikipedia as THE site to go first for information on any subject.  Google may be playing by the adage, keep your friends close but your enemies (competitors) closer.
I do recall too that some years back Google funded Wikipedia to some extent though I may be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;when we should have legitimate rankings due to millions of dollars of business in that area.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is an interesting concept.  Google decides who is most  &#8220;legitimate&#8221; or deserving and who is not. If I find your client&#8217;s legitimate pages on top of Wikipedia or other less authoritative options I might not click the sponsored ads.<br />
Google may also be proping up Wikipedia to capitalize on Wikipedia&#8217;s growing use by teens and college students.  I&#8217;ve posted before how my kids and their peers view Wikipedia as THE site to go first for information on any subject.  Google may be playing by the adage, keep your friends close but your enemies (competitors) closer.<br />
I do recall too that some years back Google funded Wikipedia to some extent though I may be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed Bilal</title>
		<link>http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-is-wikipedias-sugar-daddy/4422/comment-page-1/#comment-397298</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmed Bilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

No offense, but using Google AdSense from the start has no bearing on search rankings, nor does the fact that you suddenly add AdSense after 3-4 yrs of going &#039;clean&#039;.

A website that is genuinely useful to users AND gets lots of links will rank well in Google regardless of AdSense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>No offense, but using Google AdSense from the start has no bearing on search rankings, nor does the fact that you suddenly add AdSense after 3-4 yrs of going &#8216;clean&#8217;.</p>
<p>A website that is genuinely useful to users AND gets lots of links will rank well in Google regardless of AdSense.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Jusko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Jusko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren,

It would be interesting to see if Wikipedia could have attained its rankings if it had started out using Adsense ads from the beginning.  Google sometimes seems to actually penalize sites that rely on Google&#039;s own product to monetize themselves.  Have seen this with sites I&#039;ve built in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren,</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see if Wikipedia could have attained its rankings if it had started out using Adsense ads from the beginning.  Google sometimes seems to actually penalize sites that rely on Google&#8217;s own product to monetize themselves.  Have seen this with sites I&#8217;ve built in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed Bilal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed Bilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not to ruin anyone&#039;s day, but why must we always engage in conspiracy theories?

Wikipedia has become the automatic choice for people looking for detailed information on a topic as much as Google has become the default search engine for so many of us.

Scores of natural links (most of them in-context and totally relevant) afterwards, is it any wonder that Wikipedia does not rank so high?

The fact that Wikipedia&#039;s trusted so much by webmasters in general perpetuates their traffic - a wikipedia SERP will usually get more clickthroughs than other SERPs because it&#039;s instantly recognisable as a source that provides detailed information.

Wikipedia is an excellent example of what Google wants...and sadly, it&#039;s also the perfect example of why Google is sometimes wrong about letting the &#039;web&#039; become the judge about what is &#039;authoritative&#039; and what is not.

Loren - regarding AdSense - that&#039;s probably the information-only idealism of the Wikipedia peeps at work. Ijjits, because they won&#039;t lose much credibility but will get the money they desperately need to massively improve Wikipedia.

If someone buys Wikipedia, the first thing they&#039;ll do is slap ads on it - in a non-intrusive, classy sort of way of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not to ruin anyone&#8217;s day, but why must we always engage in conspiracy theories?</p>
<p>Wikipedia has become the automatic choice for people looking for detailed information on a topic as much as Google has become the default search engine for so many of us.</p>
<p>Scores of natural links (most of them in-context and totally relevant) afterwards, is it any wonder that Wikipedia does not rank so high?</p>
<p>The fact that Wikipedia&#8217;s trusted so much by webmasters in general perpetuates their traffic &#8211; a wikipedia SERP will usually get more clickthroughs than other SERPs because it&#8217;s instantly recognisable as a source that provides detailed information.</p>
<p>Wikipedia is an excellent example of what Google wants&#8230;and sadly, it&#8217;s also the perfect example of why Google is sometimes wrong about letting the &#8216;web&#8217; become the judge about what is &#8216;authoritative&#8217; and what is not.</p>
<p>Loren &#8211; regarding AdSense &#8211; that&#8217;s probably the information-only idealism of the Wikipedia peeps at work. Ijjits, because they won&#8217;t lose much credibility but will get the money they desperately need to massively improve Wikipedia.</p>
<p>If someone buys Wikipedia, the first thing they&#8217;ll do is slap ads on it &#8211; in a non-intrusive, classy sort of way of course.</p>
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		<title>By: JP Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why wikipedia is being some brash in their bash of Google in their creation of their own search engine.

Could Google just shut them in the search rankings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why wikipedia is being some brash in their bash of Google in their creation of their own search engine.</p>
<p>Could Google just shut them in the search rankings?</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Baker, Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Baker, Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do wonder if one reason why Wikipedia has not implemented Google AdSense or AdWords to help monetize itself beyond donations is the mistrust which may be built in terms of Wikipedia ranking so high for so many terms, then those same/or similar Google Ads being served on the Wikipedia site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wonder if one reason why Wikipedia has not implemented Google AdSense or AdWords to help monetize itself beyond donations is the mistrust which may be built in terms of Wikipedia ranking so high for so many terms, then those same/or similar Google Ads being served on the Wikipedia site.</p>
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