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		<title>By: SEO Web Design</title>
		<link>http://www.searchenginejournal.com/a-link-is-not-a-vote-its-a-pointer/4323/comment-page-1/#comment-889790</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO Web Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with this. Why don&#039;t Google use nofollow to judge that the link is to an untrusted site and use dofollow to judge that the link is a trusted site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with this. Why don&#8217;t Google use nofollow to judge that the link is to an untrusted site and use dofollow to judge that the link is a trusted site?</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
		<link>http://www.searchenginejournal.com/a-link-is-not-a-vote-its-a-pointer/4323/comment-page-1/#comment-381508</link>
		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Carsten!
As an affiliate marketer I too feel like a liar with nofollow stuff. 

Also shouldn&#039;t Yahoo! implement nofollow  on links in their paid dirrectory? 

It definetely makes things uneven for little guy like myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Carsten!<br />
As an affiliate marketer I too feel like a liar with nofollow stuff. </p>
<p>Also shouldn&#8217;t Yahoo! implement nofollow  on links in their paid dirrectory? </p>
<p>It definetely makes things uneven for little guy like myself.</p>
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		<title>By: CarstenCumbrowski</title>
		<link>http://www.searchenginejournal.com/a-link-is-not-a-vote-its-a-pointer/4323/comment-page-1/#comment-376684</link>
		<dc:creator>CarstenCumbrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I perfectly understand PageRank and what it does and what not. 

I also see the more and more reduced importance of PageRank in Google&#039;s ranking algorithm for their search results and understand why that is.

From your comments can I see that we seem to agree on what  PR is and what not. I also seem to read between the line that you also believe that PageRank is flawed. It was much better than what we had before, no doubt about that, but it is also far from perfect. Correct me, if I read that wrong.

Wouldn&#039;t you agree that replacing PR with something that considers at least intent and may be even relevance to some degree would be a major leap forward in search? 

It would also make the stupid PageRank Bar in users browsers to what it actually is, obsolete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I perfectly understand PageRank and what it does and what not. </p>
<p>I also see the more and more reduced importance of PageRank in Google&#8217;s ranking algorithm for their search results and understand why that is.</p>
<p>From your comments can I see that we seem to agree on what  PR is and what not. I also seem to read between the line that you also believe that PageRank is flawed. It was much better than what we had before, no doubt about that, but it is also far from perfect. Correct me, if I read that wrong.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you agree that replacing PR with something that considers at least intent and may be even relevance to some degree would be a major leap forward in search? </p>
<p>It would also make the stupid PageRank Bar in users browsers to what it actually is, obsolete.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.searchenginejournal.com/a-link-is-not-a-vote-its-a-pointer/4323/comment-page-1/#comment-375937</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For better or worse, my interpretation of nofollow is like choosing not to visit the voting booths while sporting a partisan bumper sticker on your car. You can still make your point, but it won&#039;t affect the system. I&#039;m still not entirely keen on it&#039;s reliance for search engine algorithms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For better or worse, my interpretation of nofollow is like choosing not to visit the voting booths while sporting a partisan bumper sticker on your car. You can still make your point, but it won&#8217;t affect the system. I&#8217;m still not entirely keen on it&#8217;s reliance for search engine algorithms.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martinez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;PageRank is not about relevance regarding a users search (the intend, subject, search phrase) which is a weakness. It boosts the ranking of a page for the relevant positive terms and negative terms alike.&quot;

PageRank isn&#039;t about relevance at all.  It&#039;s about the likelihood (probability) that you&#039;ll find a given page by randomly clicking on links, regarless of any page&#039;s content.

PageRank is not about searching through search engines.

PageRank is not about topic, category, or intent.  It&#039;s solely and strictly an arbitrary (and extremely naive and misguided) measurement of relative value or importance within a community of documents.

The SEO community has struggled to understand PageRank for years, and this lack of understanding has held back SEOs in so many ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;PageRank is not about relevance regarding a users search (the intend, subject, search phrase) which is a weakness. It boosts the ranking of a page for the relevant positive terms and negative terms alike.&#8221;</p>
<p>PageRank isn&#8217;t about relevance at all.  It&#8217;s about the likelihood (probability) that you&#8217;ll find a given page by randomly clicking on links, regarless of any page&#8217;s content.</p>
<p>PageRank is not about searching through search engines.</p>
<p>PageRank is not about topic, category, or intent.  It&#8217;s solely and strictly an arbitrary (and extremely naive and misguided) measurement of relative value or importance within a community of documents.</p>
<p>The SEO community has struggled to understand PageRank for years, and this lack of understanding has held back SEOs in so many ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Results would be more realistic and better, if there are different forms of PageRank with each being applied depending on the users intend.&quot; 
I definitely agree on this point as there are no such categories right now for the pagerank, it is general for the over all page. But I am not sure if it is possible or realisitc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Results would be more realistic and better, if there are different forms of PageRank with each being applied depending on the users intend.&#8221;<br />
I definitely agree on this point as there are no such categories right now for the pagerank, it is general for the over all page. But I am not sure if it is possible or realisitc.</p>
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		<title>By: CarstenCumbrowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarstenCumbrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 06:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For paid reviews, I think the nofollow should only be included if the review is negative.&quot;

And a negative but unpaid or refunded review should not have a nofollow? How are the two different from a relevance perspective? 

The paid, but negative review is actually more relevant, because almost everybody starts with a much stronger opinion about the item to review if being paid, actually less the being paid part than the fact that you are offered compensation which is flattery and a compliment to your competence an/or influence and reach. And who is not more friendly towards somebody who introduces himself by making a compliment about you or what you do.

If the review is still negative, then the flaws must be more severe, because all the positive attitude towards the product or service does not make the flaw seem negligible.

I would in most cases offer the advertiser not to publish the review and provide him with the reasons why the review would be negative and make suggestions about how to improve on that. 

That is consulting and the compensation for the review should cover that, so no refunds necessary.

PageRank is not about relevance regarding a users search (the intend, subject, search phrase) which is a weakness. It boosts the ranking of a page for the relevant positive terms and negative terms alike. 

Results would be more realistic and better, if there are different forms of PageRank with each being applied depending on the users intend.

It&#039;s much more complicate that the current way search engines rank, but it reflects much more how things are done in the real world. 

A service could end up not ranking at all for the phrase &quot;buy service xyz&quot; but rank high for &quot;issues with service xyz&quot; if a lot of people write negative about it (service would be in this case something general like &quot;search engine optimization&quot; and not a brand name).

Nofollow is only for one side of the spectrum and there is no counterpart for the other. This causes an artificial shift towards one side which is not reflecting the actual reality. There is no black and white in my world. It&#039;s shades of gray, always and without exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For paid reviews, I think the nofollow should only be included if the review is negative.&#8221;</p>
<p>And a negative but unpaid or refunded review should not have a nofollow? How are the two different from a relevance perspective? </p>
<p>The paid, but negative review is actually more relevant, because almost everybody starts with a much stronger opinion about the item to review if being paid, actually less the being paid part than the fact that you are offered compensation which is flattery and a compliment to your competence an/or influence and reach. And who is not more friendly towards somebody who introduces himself by making a compliment about you or what you do.</p>
<p>If the review is still negative, then the flaws must be more severe, because all the positive attitude towards the product or service does not make the flaw seem negligible.</p>
<p>I would in most cases offer the advertiser not to publish the review and provide him with the reasons why the review would be negative and make suggestions about how to improve on that. </p>
<p>That is consulting and the compensation for the review should cover that, so no refunds necessary.</p>
<p>PageRank is not about relevance regarding a users search (the intend, subject, search phrase) which is a weakness. It boosts the ranking of a page for the relevant positive terms and negative terms alike. </p>
<p>Results would be more realistic and better, if there are different forms of PageRank with each being applied depending on the users intend.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s much more complicate that the current way search engines rank, but it reflects much more how things are done in the real world. </p>
<p>A service could end up not ranking at all for the phrase &#8220;buy service xyz&#8221; but rank high for &#8220;issues with service xyz&#8221; if a lot of people write negative about it (service would be in this case something general like &#8220;search engine optimization&#8221; and not a brand name).</p>
<p>Nofollow is only for one side of the spectrum and there is no counterpart for the other. This causes an artificial shift towards one side which is not reflecting the actual reality. There is no black and white in my world. It&#8217;s shades of gray, always and without exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://www.searchenginejournal.com/a-link-is-not-a-vote-its-a-pointer/4323/comment-page-1/#comment-374643</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carsten, I actually agree with you on a nofollow policy ;)

Here is something that noone has really pointed out yet, but I am sure many thoughtful people realise.

By introducing FUD, only a small amount of people have to start using nofollow within the content for it to be an immediate flag on all the other links in the previous month to the same site.

I also wonder whether Google might sometimes just use RSS feeds instead of pages for a lot of their indexing.  Whilst on a blog page there are frequently nofollow links, in a feed there are not.

There are ways to keep links outside the RSS feed but have them appear on the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carsten, I actually agree with you on a nofollow policy ;)</p>
<p>Here is something that noone has really pointed out yet, but I am sure many thoughtful people realise.</p>
<p>By introducing FUD, only a small amount of people have to start using nofollow within the content for it to be an immediate flag on all the other links in the previous month to the same site.</p>
<p>I also wonder whether Google might sometimes just use RSS feeds instead of pages for a lot of their indexing.  Whilst on a blog page there are frequently nofollow links, in a feed there are not.</p>
<p>There are ways to keep links outside the RSS feed but have them appear on the page.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martinez</title>
		<link>http://www.searchenginejournal.com/a-link-is-not-a-vote-its-a-pointer/4323/comment-page-1/#comment-374386</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everybody talks about that a link is a positive vote for another web page by the webmaster who adds the link to his site.

This might be true for the majority of links but can not be automatically assumed for any link....&quot;

This was never true for the majority of links.  When Larry Page and Sergey Brin concluded that citation-based analysis of linkage was a valid means of determining value on the Web, they were just tossing out another crackpot theory that flew in the face of reality.

Today, things are pretty much the same.  Google&#039;s PageRank strategy has always been a crackpot theory and always will be a crackpot theory.

But through their growing filtration technology, Google is bringing some semblance of sanity to the veneer of PageRank that actually is incorporated into their search results calculations.

&quot;Rel=&#039;nofollow&#039;&quot; is just a part of Google&#039;s filtering scheme.  It won&#039;t help the Web sites that are subjected to link spamming because link spamming has always encompassed more goals than just manipulating search results.

Google has yet to acknowledge that it&#039;s not all about Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everybody talks about that a link is a positive vote for another web page by the webmaster who adds the link to his site.</p>
<p>This might be true for the majority of links but can not be automatically assumed for any link&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>This was never true for the majority of links.  When Larry Page and Sergey Brin concluded that citation-based analysis of linkage was a valid means of determining value on the Web, they were just tossing out another crackpot theory that flew in the face of reality.</p>
<p>Today, things are pretty much the same.  Google&#8217;s PageRank strategy has always been a crackpot theory and always will be a crackpot theory.</p>
<p>But through their growing filtration technology, Google is bringing some semblance of sanity to the veneer of PageRank that actually is incorporated into their search results calculations.</p>
<p>&#8220;Rel=&#8217;nofollow&#8217;&#8221; is just a part of Google&#8217;s filtering scheme.  It won&#8217;t help the Web sites that are subjected to link spamming because link spamming has always encompassed more goals than just manipulating search results.</p>
<p>Google has yet to acknowledge that it&#8217;s not all about Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;m with you on not adding the &lt;b&gt;nofollow&lt;/b&gt; on affiliate links (because you obviously endorse them). For paid reviews, I think the &lt;b&gt;nofollow&lt;/b&gt; should only be included if the review is negative.

Google will not outright sell search rankings. This is good. Similarly, people shouldn&#039;t be able to buy search rankings through traffic brokers (i.e. webmasters). This way, a company can dump loads of cash into advertising (re links), and automatically get a high search ranking. That would result in cruddy search results.

Because the web emphasizes free information, it is a much more democratic space than most. Consequently, search ranking should be based on meritocracy. This is why paid search results are differentiated from the rest.

I think that the &lt;b&gt;nofollow&lt;/b&gt; tag is great innovation that&#039;s well overdue. Furthermore, I think that the backlash against it is just a lot of people who are really good at what they do being scared over the changing marketplace.

But good SEOs are good because they are smart. They&#039;ve thrived under this relatively merit-based space, and I have now doubt that we&#039;ll all adapt.

I say that we shouldn&#039;t make the same mistake as the tertiary publishing industry. We should be forward thinking, and instead of moaning over the change and trying to get some much bigger than us to meet us half way (like magazine charged for online subscriptions), we should be &lt;b&gt;forward thinking&lt;/b&gt;. We need to be focusing on innovations that can help us adapt to the new order, because the old one is not only on the way out, but it makes sense that it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;m with you on not adding the <b>nofollow</b> on affiliate links (because you obviously endorse them). For paid reviews, I think the <b>nofollow</b> should only be included if the review is negative.</p>
<p>Google will not outright sell search rankings. This is good. Similarly, people shouldn&#8217;t be able to buy search rankings through traffic brokers (i.e. webmasters). This way, a company can dump loads of cash into advertising (re links), and automatically get a high search ranking. That would result in cruddy search results.</p>
<p>Because the web emphasizes free information, it is a much more democratic space than most. Consequently, search ranking should be based on meritocracy. This is why paid search results are differentiated from the rest.</p>
<p>I think that the <b>nofollow</b> tag is great innovation that&#8217;s well overdue. Furthermore, I think that the backlash against it is just a lot of people who are really good at what they do being scared over the changing marketplace.</p>
<p>But good SEOs are good because they are smart. They&#8217;ve thrived under this relatively merit-based space, and I have now doubt that we&#8217;ll all adapt.</p>
<p>I say that we shouldn&#8217;t make the same mistake as the tertiary publishing industry. We should be forward thinking, and instead of moaning over the change and trying to get some much bigger than us to meet us half way (like magazine charged for online subscriptions), we should be <b>forward thinking</b>. We need to be focusing on innovations that can help us adapt to the new order, because the old one is not only on the way out, but it makes sense that it is.</p>
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